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At least 10 email messages have been received from union members alleging SGEU scare tactics on the electorate.
As a result, we are hearing word that SGEU political operatives are conducting a full court press on union members to determine where the leaks have occurred. This is an attempt at poltical intimidation and member censure of the highest order.
Developing...
The NDP Boogeyman received correspondence from one of it's field operatives that alleges that Saskatoon Eastview Sask Party candidate Terry Alm proclaims, "Yes, they're going to be the first ones to go," when asked about the government controlled liquor board stores in Saskatchewan and the Sask Party platform regarding that particular crown corporation.
In fact, no such conversation with Mr. Alm ever took place.
This is once again a blatant attempt of certain union members of the SGEU, working under direction of the NDP, to create voter confusion and to spread misinformation about Sask Party policies for their own political purposes.
Saskatoon Eastview is one of the urban seats that the Sask Party is expected to take from the NDP in the upcoming general election.
26 comments:
Have you been on every doorstep with Terry Alm? Because if you haven't, you don't know he didn't say this.
If there weren't cameras in D'Autremont's face when he talked about looking at Crowns that compete with the private sector, you'd be denying he said that, too.
The CCF/NDP have long been known for their lies, which they then retract after an election. Walter Tucker sued Tommy Douglas, successfully, for doing just that.
"Have you been on every doorstep with Terry Alm? Because if you haven't, you don't know he didn't say this."
Isn't that the typical lefty logic. "You can't prove you DIDN'T say it!"
Deron - face it, you and your ilk are on the way out
Trent:
You'll note that this post is about SGEU and not the NDP. But if you want to talk about lies, start talking about D'Autremont lying about the Sask Party's position on the Crowns. It was very convenient that he learned he was out of town when the policy had been changed, wasn't it? Oh, and then even more convenient when he realized later that day that the policy hadn't been changed at all. And when Wall told CBC that D'Autremont was "literally making stuff up that I haven't heard talked about", where was the Sask Party Code of Ethics?
Oh. Right. That.
The Sask Party is on its last legs. Because of this, it is saying anything in order to win this election. Unless the owner(s) of this blog were with Alm on every doorstep, it's definitely possible that he said what is claimed -- especially given the Sask Party's attitude toward unions and Wall's own words on the subject.
So far we have D'Autremont saying the Sask Party will dismantle the Crowns, and Wall saying they'll be "going to war" with unions. Union members and Crown employees have every right to be concerned.
And thank you Slick, for bringing the Conservative tactic of ad hominem argument into this thread.
The Sask Party is on its last legs
Ok, deron, I'll bite.
How did you determine this little factoid?
Polling, wishful thinking, the people you socialize with etc...?
Personally, I think it's wishful thinking on your behalf.
Prove me wrong...
Deron deliberately distorts: Deutremont said that they would review Crns where they compete with private enterprise.
I still think that we should have a new Crown: Saskporn! it will provide synergy to Sask's burgeoning film industy, and produce much more interesting crapola than "Priarie Giant". BTW, I ahve it from a reliable source, and octeganarian, that Tommy was no giant, he was hung more like a mouse.
"So far we have D'Autremont saying the Sask Party will dismantle the Crowns" Were do you get this from?
Deron, you believe yourself to be a smart man, so I am sure you know the history of the crowns, SGI being the only one started by the CCF. Have you ever read about the Mossbank debate? It maybe difficult to look up, seeing as the NDP have made damn sure that it is not write about in the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan, but it was a debate between Ross Thatcher and Tommy Douglas over the failures of the crowns. Tommy lost.
At one time we had a shoe factory, a wheat syrup plant, a tannery and 16 other crowns that Tommy and the CCF started only to have them go bankrupt, ran the debt up to over $400,000,000 by 1960, they did. But like Tommy Douglas thesis on eugenics in which he referred to unwed mothers as common prostitutes, most CCF/NDPer's choose to ignore history in favor of their own version.
I am getting carried away. So just where did you hear "we have D'Autremont saying the Sask Party will dismantle the Crowns"
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Pretty damn weak Deron. I can't prove he didn't say it, so therefore he said it. "Dismantle the crowns" -- what the hell are you talking about?
I love how the dippers are getting dismantled in the blogosphere.
You are such a douche.
Trent:
Maybe it's just me, y'know? Maybe I'm not as smart as some of the other folks around here. Maybe I misunderstood the following quote from CBC: "And it would be open to dismantling some parts of them, MLA Dan D'Autremont said."
I also don't know where you get your information, but on SaskPower's own website it says it became a crown in 1949 with the passage of the Power Corporation Act -- under a CCF government.
SaskEnergy was created in 1952 as the gas division of SaskPower, under a CCF government. Interestingly, it was Devine's Conservatives in 1988 who spun it off into its own Crown corporation, with the intent to sell it. That doesn't sound familiar at all.
SGI was created in 1945, under a CCF government.
SaskTel became a Crown Corporation in 1947, under a CCF government.
As far as the seemingly endless list of other Crown corporations, yes, I agree, they seemed ridiculous. But the common theme underlying the Crowns was a good one, and is one the people of Saskatchewan appreciate. Evidently, other provinces, and even the federal government, think the same way.
With Devine's government leaving the province $15 billion dollars in the red, and the current NDP government delivering 14 consecutive balanced budgets, I don't think you really want to be talking about debt. And as far as the old saws go about Douglas's comments on unwed mothers and homosexuality, it's important to keep those in context, and not just rattle them off as Conservatives love to do; it just shows your ignorance, sir.
And I did more than read about the Mossbank debate: I attended it! According the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan the debate was largely considered to be a draw, even though Mossbank, at the time, was a huge Liberal stronghold. Thatcher lost the '57 election to CCF candidate Hazen Argue.
You guys are taking a lot out of me. :(
Bridgeman:
There is ample evidence suggesting that a comment like this from a Sask Party member would not be out of line. Much like the evidence that a Conservative, backed into an indefensible corner, will start calling people douches.
I'm still more interested in discussing D'Autremont's actions than Terry Alm's.
I wish Terry Alm would have said this. I'm sick of subsidizing over-paid cashiers... bring on market prices for beer. Hack the LCT while your at it. Cheers!
Jake:
I went for a trip to the States this summer, and it was a blast for me to see beer for 50 cents a can and booze in every convenience store and gas station we stopped in. I went to the offsale here in Regina one night and paid $28 for a dozen beer. Sheesh.
This is why the Americans are so religious: cheap beer, cheap smokes, and legalized gambling. It's the Promised Land!
You attended the 1957 debate? How old are you? and where did you find it on the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan?http://esask.uregina.ca/search_results.html?criteria=mossbank+debate
And where do you get the 15 billion dollar number from? Provide proof please.http://www.taxpayer.com/pdf/Provincial_Debt_by_Province_2007.pdf
This link posts it at just under 6 billion. You are adding in the Crown Corporation debt of 4 billion, that was 4 billion in 1982 also, and you are including future pension liabilities that the NDP now leave out of their debt calculations.
If you can provide some proof of your statements, I would love to read it.
Here is one last link you want to read, it shows how much the people of Saskatchewan hate the NDP, which is why they have been shut out of Saskatchewan the last two federal elections.http://www.nodice.ca/elections/saskatchewan/
Look Deron,
The difference between the NDP and the SGEU union brass is nil. casse in point - Kevin Yates. Kevin was their chief negotiator prior to becoming an MLA. It is common knowledge that the union brass are member and hard core volunteers of the New Democrats. Case in point number 2 - Judy Junor, the old SUN president. How about Sandra Morin and Deb Higgins? More union people. We are now talking over 10% of the NDP cabinet being not just union members, but union stooges!
For you to say that the SGEU and the NDP are two separate machines...well that is silly.
And I have talked with you lots in person Deron and I know you are far more intelligent than that. Get with the program and don't be fooled by the unions or the New Democrats.
Wow!!! SGEU in bed with the NDP. Telling people how to vote. That should stop...considering there are 4 current SaskParty Canidates running in this election that are SGEU members one is even on the executive, and all brag about being Shop Stewards.
Are they wrong too?
Wow as far as I know 0 canidates from the NPD are SGEU members.
Boogyman becareful of those glass houses. A SaskParty member might be living there.
In fact in total the SaskParty has more union current, and past members running in this election than the NDP has.
Maybe we should tell the people not to vote for them as boogeyman says, and keep the SaskParty Out of this province.
Damn Unions.....they're even in the SaskParty, and running for office
"a wolf in sheep's clothing"
Even the people that write for them can't get it straight....
Anonymous,
Name the four SK Party candidate that are SGEU members and the one that is a shop steward please.
Them I'll name all the union comnnected NDP candidates.
My bet is that it'll beat the SK Party numbers hands down.
Actually, I know for a fact that are alot of union members that support the Sask Party. Far more than anyone realizes. The ones I have talked to are so upset that their unions are in bed with the NDP and thus never seriously complain or take legal action.
The pension fund for the IBEW members with Saskpower is a total wreck. Not only hasn't Saskpower been matching the members contributions for 15 years now, Saskpower is also "borrowing" the members contributions at 0 percent interest and the union brass says nothing about it, at least not publicly.
My former neighbor, a 30 year plus Saskpower employee, told me about this over the summer. When I asked him why the union doesn't go public, he said that question is raised often in union meetings, but the union brass puts it off, saying: "wait and see".
Needless to say there are a lot of pissed off union members in this province who hate the NDP.
Nadine Wilson-Saskatchewan River
Corrections;SGEU PSGE
Debbi Stevenson-Regina Elphinstone Center
DCRE;SGEU PSGE,Steward,Local Executive, Provincial Council
Morris Elfenbaum-Regina NE
Corrections;SGEU PSGE,Steward CEP
Don Johannesson; SGEU Steward
All have or still are very active in SGEU
It seems SGEU is very active in your SaskParty...good for them. If only there supporters could see through it.
Do you dare to throw those stones!!
Once agian...show me the SGEU canidates in the NDP..I'll give you 1 Yates, and that's it. Show me more!
I don;t think that anyone has a problem with SGEU members, past or present (I'm a past member)
The problem is that some of the unoin brass is now in cahoots with the NDP.
pavlov,
Well said. I would hope that these fine men and women can lead toher SGEU rank and file members away from the pressure the union brass is presently heaping upon them.
This blog, as is evidenced in my other posts, respects the rank and file union members.
But the Boogeyman will go to great lenghts to expose the damage done to those same mebers by the NDP and union brass, who use the position of caring for members as only a method for advancing their own selfish political gains.
Those canidates are the "Union Brass"!! If you're a SGEU member you would know that, and like any organization including the SaskParty the so called "Brass" is democratically voted in with voice from all the membership including your SaskParty canidates.
Allright people. Let's talk about "union democracy."
If you have ever been to a union local meeting, the meetings have the old union warhorses that run the place. Just like every other part of the union shop, seniority rules.
I was involved in union activities in the past as a steward and even though the local executive said that everyone was welcome, young members are rarely accepted.
Since young people are not accepted in their organization, it's very difficult to 'take over' the union. That's why union democracy never works.
Maybe we'll be so lucky to have enough people support a decertification vote. Now that's union democracy!
Do you dare to throw those stones!!
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Well, Mr. Annoying Mouse, if you had any "daring" in you, you wouldn't be posting anonymously.
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